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TheForceV4
Sat Jun 16 2007, 12:19PM

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 I'm sure this is hot topic for discussion (I hope).
Now i'd class the older models as anything from 1998 to the early 2002 model before it was then replaced in the September by the straight back light fuel injected model (best looker IMO), and newer models anything after this.
So which are better?
The older models have more torque and are quicker off the mark as they arent as high revving as the newer models where the newbies 03 and post 03 are quicker at speeds we shouldnt really be doing on public roads
Having ridden 98 01 02 03 and 04 models I can say 98 and 01 models were terrifying with me actually having to sell the 98 a fortnight after I brought it.....yup thats right it scared me half to death
Earlier models wheelie even when you dont want them to, newer models are calmer and more chilled out...civilised is the word I search for.
I could go on all day but I shall spare the you the boredom, what are your views??
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William
Sat Jun 16 2007, 12:43PM
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 Newer ones are more refined and track focussed.
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Kiwi_R1
Sat Jun 16 2007, 01:20PM
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 Again very personal, my 2 pennies worth

98 - 01 Hard Work, Scary, but just soo much fun
02 - 04 Getting easier to ride bit bloated and softer
04 - 06 Needs to go on a diet , now closer to a blade than anything else

Then again I am 17 stone and any R1 looks like i've a roller skate stuck up me arse , I like the wild unpredictability of my 00 (5JJ), yes it scares me but thats also what makes it so much fun.

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Sat Jun 16 2007, 01:22PM
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William wrote ...

Newer ones are more refined and track focussed.


, and they are more comfy. 04 onwards are far more comfy than a sports bike has any right to be.
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 Iv rode the 98 up to 2000 models, and found to start with they are a bit of a handful,
But when you have mastered the aggression they are fantastic fun and proper hooligan bikes, but must be careful not to forget whats underneath you.
I own a 2003 model and find the power delivery is alot sweeter and user friendly which suits me better and gives me more confidence to use it on the twisties and into corners.
Never tried the 04 onwards but they apparently have it all and just the looks are enough to make you go buy one.....

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ezetobebad
Sat Jun 16 2007, 04:11PM
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 Interesting question,

I rode my pal's 2004, it was very smooth in the power delivery area, did not feel like it was gonna wheelie in third gear or anything like that a predictable ride really, one thing I did not like was the underseat exhaust, all that heat around my minge just makes me wanna get me tits out .
my 1998 model, not so smooth , can't fully open the throttle in first 2 gears (well it was up to third gear, perhaps the carbs need balancing?) without the bitch wanting to dump you on the floor.

Cannot really say much more than that till i get to ride the later models again some time soon . I find it difficult to compare bikes & really need to ride them on same roads on the same day when I have my 'same' head on, without this i fear that my reasoning my be somewhat subjective.


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jcmental
Sat Jun 16 2007, 04:19PM
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 Well On this topic I cant raily comment. I have only ever riden an 04 R1.
But wot I would like to say is It's so flat at low revs I feel like thers something wrong with it but then u hit 7.5K and bam It's like being in a vidio game you have to hang on for dear life and try and steer at the same time. I think if you've got the balls to keep the engine on the boil it's like a rocket and I find it hard to imagien any thing keeping up with it.


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R1-IAN
Sat Jun 16 2007, 05:05PM
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 I found that my mates 98 R1 that I borrowed 6-7yrs ago seemed to have more grunt than my 2001 model. I could wheelie that from 2nd and well into 3rd on the power. Apart from first gear, my 01 seems to struggle to get the front in the air on the power unless I time it just right. I don't know, but maybe they might have changed the design to stop the wheelies. Praps its just me and I don't have any balls anymore to ride like I used to. Has anyone got the official BHP & tech spec of each model year and what changes were made?
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ezetobebad
Sat Jun 16 2007, 06:44PM
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 check -Click Here- for true rwhp figures.


This is not the whole picture for us though as there is no graph for rwhp & no graph for torque & also no talk of primary & secondary gearing ratios.

I willgo see what I can find.

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ezetobebad
Sat Jun 16 2007, 07:00PM
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 1998 torque & bhp graph -Click Here-


So in essence a 1998 R1 - the real power starts at 4500 rpm ...it peaks at 8500 rpm but still remains pretty high till 11000 rpm.

Have a look at the graph & tell me how you read it?



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ezetobebad
Sat Jun 16 2007, 07:06PM
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 -Click Here- we have 2002 Vs 2004 R1 model.

I have not looked at these......what IF anything do theses figures mean to us riders. (yep they are just figures from a magazine).


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TheForceV4
Sat Jun 16 2007, 08:26PM

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 Wow so those are the true stock figures. Are the manufacturers allowed to make the claims that they are then?
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ezetobebad
Sat Jun 16 2007, 08:54PM
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TheForceV4 wrote ...

Wow so those are the true stock figures. Are the manufacturers allowed to make the claims that they are then?


Hey there Force,

I dunno about the legitimacy of such figures, i feel that if we look at std bike vs std bike then we get some kind of reflection of what our rwhp's may be. Personally i have just moved over from the Buell brand to Yamaha... & for sure I will say this regarding Buell & USA vs UK dyno figures....Those guys in the USA seem to constantly achieve 10 - 20 rwhp more than us in the UK for the same spec motors.......Ask me how I know?

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Kiwi_R1
Sun Jun 17 2007, 04:47PM
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 figures only make up part of the story, the biggest contributing factor is the rider !!!!, ALL jap bikes are built around 4'8 midgets that weigh 10 stone anyway. !ninja

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jcmental
Sun Jun 17 2007, 05:04PM
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kiwi_r1 wrote ...

figures only make up part of the story, the biggest contributing factor is the rider !!!!, ALL jap bikes are built around 4'8 midgets that weigh 10 stone anyway. !ninja


Soooo..... What dose the engine put out if theres 2 of those midgets riding 1 bike at the same time?


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